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Terror IV with Scott Vogel & Nick Jett September 24th, 2003 Bloomington (herbington), IL

Reali-D: Alright, let’s let the tape roll and at this point I think we all know what bands you are from and I can’t go there as everyone in every other IV has. The Rise of Brutality tour represents to me a feeling, like when you guys stepped out, Hatebreed, Madball, you guys, all represent a feeling in hardcore again, that is brutal and angry and straight up in your face again.

Scott: My first thing is, the last couple tours we have been doing have been with a lot of straight edge bands. This is just like complete, you know, that’s cool you know, everyone in Terror is Straight Edge except me, well now with Frank, our new guitarist Frank from Ringworm, he’s definitely far from Straight Edge. This is just like a lot of partying, a lot of people getting crazy, everyone fucking getting wild with women. Musically too, it’s just a bigger production. Hatebreed has got a bus. The venues have been great. It’s an overall step up, the intensity, the craziness, and overall the professionalism. We gotta be on time. We gotta be on point. We gotta get our shit in. The shows have just been fucking great so far.

Reali-D: Is there a theme musically that runs through most of these bands?

Scott: It’s just straight from the beginning of the show to the end: angry fucking people. Brutality from beginning to the end. No weak points, no fucking bullshit. Every band gets on and does their half hour and its just fucking aggressive, whether its hardcore bands or metal bands. Hatebreed is obviously a hardcore band, but they appeal to a lot of different people. Every band just gets up there and does their fucking thing.

Reali-D: Good bands to be out together. In the last year or so that you guys have made a name for yourself there are elements or even some themes in these bands, you, Madball, Hatebreed. Something is going on again, a turn to the brutal again.

Scott: You mean compared to some pussy shit that’s been going on lately! I figure it’s an excellent fucking theme and I’m pretty sure Jamey put the bill together around that and he did a good job.

Reali-D: The more brutal sound. I think we grew up at a similar time and were exposed to the same bands around the same time. Are there any similarities you see with like, I believe a lot of those bands...It’s like that Reagan era hardcore, some claim Reagan is somewhat responsible himself. I mean I feel like kids today maybe want to turn to the more intense heavy music like yourselves because the BUSH climate is similar to our day. Bush Era. Reaganomics. Is there something there as to why kids are feeling real hardcore again?

Scott: I think through all the time I have been into hardcore there has always been angry fucking people and angry bands, even if the majority is watered down bullshit with lyrics that are bullshit. I have always tried to surround myself with things that appeal to me that I can feel. That’s why aggressive, angry, pissed off, honest music is always what I look for. I guess I never really looked at it the way you are asking me, but I guess I hear what you are saying. Times in the world are pretty ugly, pretty dim. Some people don’t want to listen to radio happy bullshit. They want something that they can fucking...not ease the pain, but get through the pain.

Reali-D: Bands you grew up on. First show.

Scott: First show for me ever was DRI, Gang Green, Goo Goo Dolls and Holy Terror. After that, you know, I saw, living in Buffalo I was pretty lucky, so I saw 7 Seconds. Right after that Youth of Today, Warzone, AF, all the NY bands came up there. A lot of California bands too, Chain of Strength and stuff like that.

Reali-D: Japan experience. Just got back right?

Scott: Just got back.

Reali-D: What’s up?

Nick: It was amazing. Best place I have ever been.

Scott: Fucking awesome. Outside, music wise, the city was like fucking clean. You couldn’t find a piece of garbage on the ground anywhere. Tagging was to a minimum. We went to Tokyo and it’s huge, people everywhere, but I would go to throw something on the ground and I was like, “nah, I can’t do that.” I mean just for us, we’ve been a band for a year and a half, to go over there. It was the first time for all of us. Shows were great. People treated us with a lot of respect. We sold a lot of shit. Beautiful women everywhere, it was awesome. The food...I’m vegan...the food fucking sucked. That was the horror part.

Nick: Small portions of everything.

Scott: Small portions, small people, but we got nothing to complain about because I mean fucking, that was a dream come true. I am ready to go back. Another thing is it was only 5 days, usually you tour for month and by the end you’re like, “I can’t wait to go home.” After this I was like, “We’re fucking leaving already? I can’t believe this.” So I am ready to do it again.

Frank enters.

Scott: What do you think Frank?

Frank: I am going fishing I know that.

Reali-D: Are they really all going? I heard Jamey talking about that.

Frank: Yeah we are all going.

Just then Jamey Jasta exits bus with fishing gear and crew and they proceed to a truck and take off. I later heard the catch was good, though the lake was quite a drive.

Reali-D: Back to it. So question. And I don’t bring this up to create rifts or find differences in scenes or am I trying to start a coastal war in hardcore or put anything down, that’s not why I ask. I have been to Waterloo, and Milwaukee, Madison, KC and I usually find there is something cool going on where ever I go and I think kids want to know what’s up where. I remember being younger and kids, us, jumping in vans with bands for road trips to shows, especially in the tri-state area, City Gardens, the Anthrax etc. and I am not sure I see that that much any more...

Scott: When the Terror van ain’t being used for Terror it goes on lots of road trips filled with us doing stupid shit.

Reali-D: But again not to play on the differences and make positive or negative of it, but you started on the east coast or North East. There is a sound in Terror that I associate with hardcore from the northeast. Boston, NY, not knowing ‘til I lived in LA and California for a while that kids rolled that heavy out there. I thought it was all that Orange County straight edge or like sunny punk shit.

Scott: One of the coolest things, when Terror started, I was fresh to the west coast and I hear what you are saying, I had that same thought in my mind. When I thought of California I thought of Chain of Strength and more like Insted straight edge. When I met Nick and walked into our first practice ever and we started talking about music you know and I’d be like, “What bands are you into now?” and it was Death Threat , Madball and I was like, “perfect.” Old stuff you know Warzone, Breakdown and I was like, “fucking awesome!” You know we were on the same page and the California scene is unbelievable. The kids go the fuck off and are happy to watch bands from start to finish. You know I don’t want to dog out any scene, but there’s a lot of places you go where kids are spoiled with bands. They are fucking jaded or whatever and they don’t fucking care and they are just there to hang out or look for girls and get drunk, and do your thing, but....Now it’s become second nature to me, but when I first started going to shows in California, I was fucking floored. With how many people came to shows, big bands or small bands. Small bands would come through that I hardly knew and there would be tons of kids going the fuck off. That was awesome. We are influenced by a lot of bands on the East Coast, NY in general, but you can hear the Chain of Strength in Terror too. That right Nick?

Nick: Sounds good to me.

Scott points to Freddy Madball: “And there is our biggest influence...MAAADDDDBAAALLL! Awesome!”

Reali-D: Here is another question and I think I do want to start some static out there on this one. I have just noticed it start to come up a lot lately and I am not into it. Do you consider Hardcore and punk synonymous?

Nick kids: Uuuggghhhhh, we are not going to answer that!

Scott: Hardcore and punk synonymous.

Reali-D: Am I making something of nothing here? My hardcore did not include some of the c...rap people are throwing into it lately.

Scott: I never...I never... I am not a punk kid. I never have considered my self a punk kid. I have always been just a hardcore kid. I will never say Terror is a punk band at all. I think some bands say that and put that tag on themselves just so they can relate to more people. And I want to play to punk kids and I hope punk kids can, you know, understand us and feel where we are coming from, but I don’t put those 2 things together. There are some things about punk that turn me off. Maybe, somewhat the look and the attitude, and stuff like that that never really totally appealed to me. And I am all for people doing their thing, and if that’s what you are into and it makes you happy, fucking cool. I think punk bands and hardcore bands should play together and do shit together, but I don’t think they are the same thing. I don’t think the 2 terms go together as one.
There are lots of similarities and if there wasn’t punk there wouldn’t be hardcore maybe? Punk and metal you know. But I think there are a lot of differences.

Reali-D: Studio in December?

Nick: Most likely February.

Scott: Looking to record in early February and have it out by the latest July.

Reali-D: Scott, nice voice mail.

Scott: You like that? I think you were the first person to hear that.

Scott’s voice mail is Warzone from the original NYHC comp Revelation: 7 1988. Caught trapped no way out...............I’m bugging out! As ooonnneeee!

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